25:50aah, Mr Michel Lamy ne France se sawal kiya hai. Unhone likha hai: "Maulana, you wrote that spirituality which aims at stopping the thought process is dehumanizing and brings man to the level of animals. How then can one try to gain control over mind? Please explain." My position is that there are two different ways to attain spirituality. One that is heart-based and the second that is mind-based.
26:33to I said that heart-based spirituality, although there are so many people who believe the variety of this method, but I think that it is not correct. Through mind, through heart, those practices that are, that are heart-based practices, that are nothing. That are physical practices. Through physical practice, you cannot attain spirituality. Heart is a physical part of your body. So heart-based spirituality is
27:19nothing. Heart-based spirituality means try to attain spirituality through physical method . That is impossible. So I believe in mind-based spirituality. Mind-based spirituality. That is, my spirituality is based on tadabbur, tafakkur, tawaṣṣum . That is contemplation. In two words, first is based on meditation. And my spirituality is based on contemplation.
28:05So contemplation is mind-centered method. And meditation is heart-centered method. So this is my stand in this about this matter. Mr Muhammad Daniel ne Patna se sawal kiya hai: "Shakhsiyat ki taameer ka usool kya hai?" Is ke bare mein batayein. dekhiye, jahan tak main sochta hoon, shakhsiyat paidaishi taur par durust shakhsiyat hoti hai. Kyun ke hadith mein aata hai ke kul maulood yulad al-fitrah.
28:57yani har insaan paida hota hai. Yani sahi shakhsiyat par, sahi personality par, sahi fitrat par. Lekin is ke baad mahaul se, ghar ka mahaul, bahar ka mahaul jo is ki conditioning karta rehta hai. To conditioning jo hai, woh shakhsiyat ko bigaadti hai. ab jo karna hai, woh yeh hai karna keh aap apni de-conditioning karen.
29:31lekin conditioning ka waqea to lazman hoga hi hoga. professor watson jo amreeka ka professor tha, us ne yeh baat kahi hai keh conditioning honi hi honi hai har aadmi ki. har aadmi miss conditioned hai. lekin professor watson ko ek baat nahi jaan saka keh de-conditioning possible hai. us ki daryaft yahi tak rahi keh har aadmi miss conditioned hai. lekin doosra jo part hai is sachai ka, woh yeh hai keh agar aadmi chahe to apni de-conditioning kar sakta hai. yeh unhein nahi pata tha. to main yeh manta hoon keh conditioning to aap ki aur har aadmi ki hogi hi hogi.
30:19ise to aap rok nahi sakte. yahan tak mana jata hai keh bachcha pet mein hota hai, tabhi conditioning shuru ho jati hai us ki. maan ke through. pehle maan ke through, phir family ke through, phir society ke through. phir poora jahan bhi rehta hai, woh jo kuch parhta hai, jo kuch sunta hai, woh sab conditioning ke case ban jate hain us ke liye. to beharhaal har aadmi miss conditioned hai. har aurat aur har mard. ab aap agar chahte hain keh aap woh shakhsiyat banen jo Allah ko matloob hai, to aap ko apni de-conditioning karni hogi.
30:59is ke liye Allah taala ne jo ek misaal qaim kar di hai, piaz ki. piaz yani onion. piaz aap jante hain keh ek gol cheez hoti hai. us ke oopar layer hote hain. layer, layer, layer, layer. aakhir mein ek core hota hai, chhota sa. woh is ka piaz ka core hota hai. har insaan ki ek core personality hai. us ke oopar layers hain conditioning ke. to conditioning ke layer ko hataye, hataye, hataye yahan tak keh aap ki jo core personality hai, woh saamne aa jaye. yahi hai de-conditioning. is ke liye aap ko yani self-hammering karni parti hai.
31:40self-hammering. apne yani apne against mein sochna. aap ko apne against mein sochna parta hai. apne khilaf sochna parta hai. yani jis tarah dushman aap ke baray mein sochta hai, us tarah sochna parta hai. tab ja kar ke aadmi apni de-conditioning kar pata hai. nahi to phir woh phansa rehta hai, phansa rehta hai, phansa rehta hai isi mein. miss condition woh paida hota hai, miss condition woh mar jata hai.
32:15doctor farida khanum ne dehli se question kiya hai. unhone likha hai: "recently i attended a program on spirituality in which several speeches were made on spirituality. but no mention was made of god who is the source of spirituality. what is this kind of spirituality devoid of god? please explain." dekhiye, yeh bohat purana nazariya hai jis ko pehle mysticism kaha jata tha. mysticism. ab is ko spirituality kaha jata hai.
32:55is nazariye ka jo khulasa hai, woh yeh hai keh sab kuch insaan ke andar hai. insaan ke andar hi sachai ka reservoir hai. isi ko unfold karna hai. yani un ke nazdeek ka spirituality naam hai khud apne hi andar ke khazane ko unfold karna. is par ek kitab hai rajneesh ki, uska naam hai "kundalini andar base". to bohat si kitabein is par hain. ek kitab ko main aap ko hawala de raha hoon. to is mein unhone is ko explain kiya hai. yeh hindi mein yeh kitab hai.
33:38kundalni kehte hain is ko. Yaani jo ek khaas tarah ka deer hota hai, hiran, jis mein ke ek naafah hota hai. Yaani mushk hota hai. Khushbudar ek cheez hoti hai. To is ko nikaal kar ke phir operation kar ke nikala jata hai, phir is ki khushbu ko bohat mehnga bikta hai woh. Jis ko mushk kehte hain. Angrezi mein musk kehte hain. To
34:12Woh kehte hain is mein ke woh jo naafah jab poora ho jata hai, yaani jab jab mature ho jata hai poori tarah se, to is ki khushbu nikalti hai is mein se. Ab woh deer jo hota hai, jo hiran, khaas tarah ka hiran hota hai, woh to is ko jab khushbu milti hai to dorta, is ko khushbu ke liye dorne lagta hai, idhar udhar idhar. Yaani khushbu ko bahar talash karta hai. Khushbu ko bahar talash karta hai. Haalankeh khushbu is ke andar hoti hai. To is is misaal ko le kar unhon ne kaha hai: "Kundalni andar base". Yaani spirituality andar hai, bahar nahi hai.
34:47Lekin yeh ek misaal hai, is se kuch sabit nahi hota. Analogy is the weakest form of argument kaha jata hai. To main is misaal ko nahi manta. Main yeh bhi nahi manta ke andar sab kuch khazana bhara hua hai, is ko unfold karna hai. Nahi. Yeh dunya mein koi bhi achievement siwaye Khuda ki madad ke nahi ho sakta hai. Insaan Khuda ke baghair jo hai. Hadees mein aata hai ke tum "الا کلکم ذال الا من ہدیت". Tum mein se har shakhs bhatka hua hai, magar woh jis ko main rasta dikhaun.
35:27To God-based spirituality hi spirituality hai. Baqi to sirf ek philosophy hai. Is se zyada aur kuch nahi. Maulana Yaqoob Umri ne Solahpur se sawal kiya hai. Unhon ne likha hai: "America terrorism ko khatam karne mein kahan tak kamyab hai?" Is ke baray mein aap ka kya khayal hai?